Episode 1419 – Dreaming of Roys | A Succession of Restful Developments Ep 2
SCOOTER: Friends beyond the binary, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it’s time for the podcaster who’s hopefully gonna be developing some restful material here to carry you off into dreamland. It’s time for Sleep With Me, the podcast that’s here to put you to sleep, to keep you company, to take your mind off of stuff, to be your friend in the deep, dark night, to help you out. Do you struggle with sleep or is sleep…? If you're new…like an area you're not…I don't know how to put it. You say, man, sleep…like, you can't even put it into words. That’s what it’s like for me right now. You say, how’d you sleep last night? Could you never ask me that question again, please? If you have a wonderful relationship with sleep, that’s great. We could…you could still hang here, and the show still might be enjoyable to you. But I’m here to help you out as a friend in the deep, dark night. This show is a little bit different, so if you're new, give it a few tries.
It’s a friendly voice in the deep, dark night more so than a sleep aid. So…and I’ll explain more in a little bit here. But yeah, it’s…I’m just supposed to be a silly, goofy friend hanging out with you for an hour or two hours or more, depending on how many episodes you want to listen to in a row. Ideally at some point you fall asleep. It’s really, hopefully that simple. I’m glad you're here. If you're new, you're an occasional listener going through a tough time, you come back to this show when you need it, you're going through a tough spot, or you listen night after night after night, this show makes your life better on a consistent basis…if you're a consistent listener and you love the show or you love what it does for your life, we really could use your support, and these are the ways you could support the show back for all the helpful consistency it brings you. Thanks.
Intro: Hey, are you up all night tossing, turning, mind racing? Trouble getting to sleep? Trouble staying asleep? Well, welcome. This is Sleep With Me, the podcast that puts you to sleep. We do it with a bedtime story. Alls you need to do is get in bed, turn out the lights, and press Play. I’m gonna do the rest. What I’m going to attempt to do is create a safe place where you could set aside whatever’s keeping you awake. That could be thoughts on your mind, thoughts about the past, the present, the future, thoughts you're thinking about…so, thoughts that are coming up, feelings, it could be stuff…emotions coming up related to those thoughts or feelings that are just there or that are making an appearance at bedtime, it could be physical sensations, changes in time, temperature, routine, you could be going through something, you maybe work a different schedule, maybe you don’t know, or maybe it’s like…is that a confluence of things when I have more than one thing going on that’s impacting my sleep?
So, it’s…and then I’m anticipating. So, it's…it might be more than one thing. It is for me right now, including a couple or…yeah, that I’m like, wait a second…huh, that doesn't make any sense. So, whatever it is that’s keeping you awake, whatever it is that’s going on, I’d like to help you out if I can, because I’ve been there; last night multiple times and this morning. So, I know what it’s like. I know what it’s like for me, I know what it’s like during the day for me, and then anticipating…I could try this or this, but I don't know what I’m gonna do. If it’s anything like that for you or if it’s just not great in some other way for you, I’d love to help you out if I can, because I know it’s…I know what it’s like for me, right? And I know what it’s like for a lot of other listeners. The cool thing is there’s enough people listening that there’s someone out there right now that totally gets where you're at, and they're like, man, I really hope this show can help you like it’s helped me, because it changed my life.
I didn’t even know there would be…there was a strange podcast where someone just hung out with me so I could fall asleep. I didn’t think that…it doesn't…you know, it still doesn't make quite a lot of sense. So, yeah, I really hope the show can help you, because it’s meaningful to me. You deserve a bedtime where you could get the rest you need so your life is a little bit more manageable and a little bit better tomorrow. You deserve a bedtime where it doesn’t have to…you don’t have to dread it, right? You could look forward to it or at least feel neutral about it and say, well, at least I got that sleep podcast, and he’s kinda goofy, and I know I got a couple other things I’m trying out. That’s…for me, I got a book I’m reading. I say, well, at least I got my bedtime routine and my book that I’m enjoying, and I’ll just try to do those things.
So, that’s why I make the show, and it’s really cool to know that there’s other people out there across the world that are thinking of you, you — yeah, you — in a positive way. They're sending you well wishes and hoping the show helps you out, and they get to feel good about that, and they can also feel it coming back to them when they need it, when they're having a really tough time. They know there’s other people wishing them well, and that’s the kind of community we have around the show. It’s a no-pressure community. It’s opt-in. You just have to lay in your bed and think lightly and fondly of somebody else or multiple people out there in the world that are struggling with something you can relate to. So, the way it works is I send my voice across the deep, dark night. I use lulling, soothing, creaky, dulcet tones, pointless meanders, superfluous tangents, I go off topic, I get mixed up, I forget what I was talking about, then I use filler words, mispronounce things, then I say, oh, wait a second; I was thinking of this other thing.
It’s all to keep you company and take your mind off of stuff versus putting you to sleep, but it does take a lot of getting used to when you first get here, 'cause if you found this show through a recommendation or a search or you're just in the middle of the night trying to find anything that would work, you probably…if you're anything like me, you’d be skeptical, doubtful, frustrated…like, I need something that’s gonna work for sure. I say, well, I can't promise that. I can't even promise you'll like me, but I can tell you that all that is okay. Maybe that’s a relief when I say you don’t have to like the show, or you don’t have to like me. You could just see how it goes. I can't tell you this show is 100% effective. Or, I can barely even say 100% effective. So, how could I say it’s 100% effective if I can't even say those words most of the time? But I could tell you I’m gonna be here and I’m gonna try, try to hang out with you, and I could tell you that…two things.
One, it’s been most regular listeners’ experience…it took two or three tries with this show for it to kinda work and help them out. The first time they listened, they were skeptical, doubtful…I thought this was a sleep podcast. This guy’s been making this thing for twelve years? It doesn't…I don’t believe it. Then the second time they listen, they say, oh, okay. Huh, I still don’t get it. Then the third time or the fourth time or the second time…sometimes the first time, they just fall asleep and they say, oh, he was serious when he says he’s always never getting started, that the show’s always going nowhere. So, just see how it goes. If it doesn't work out or if you're certain right now…you're like, no, I don’t even want to give you another minute of my time, that’s fine. I have a website set up, sleepwithmepodcast.com/nothankyou, where you could find other sleepy stuff and sleep…other sleep podcasts on there that may help you out or send you on a journey to something that’s gonna work for you.
‘Cause everything I said up to this point is still true. So, yeah, I’m hopeful, right? But if you're here, you might as well give it a few tries and see how it goes, unless you're 100% sure you…yeah, so, I’m glad you're here. The other things to know is this is a podcast you kinda just barely listen to versus listening to it directly. You can listen to it, but it’s also like a TV on in the other room, a show streaming under your pillow, a party way down the street where it’s not…you're just kinda hearing the bass thumping and not too many other…you say, huh, it’s not too bad. At that distance I’m aware people may be enjoying themselves, but it’s not bugging me. It could be like sand passing through your hands or a out-of-focus picture. Or, it’s been a while since we talked about…what are those things even called? The 3D images or whatever that…you stare at them? The only way it works for a lot of people is when you…all of a sudden it’ll just work when you're not trying to make it work.
I can't even remember what they were called. I feel like that was the first time that there was artificial intelligence in the world, just looking back. You say, wait a second…also, I wonder if they could do that. You know, there’s multiple ones. You say, hey, can you do that? No. I mean, I could. I can say I can do it, for sure. There’s a lot of qualities I share…like overconfidence, belief that I’m factually correct when I’m not. This isn’t meant to be a troll. I’m not trying to troll AI. Believe me, no, no, no, I want to stay on your good side. I’m just pointing out ways I’m similar. I share similar…you know what happens, is…you spot it, you got it. That’s me and my relationship with AI. Not the AI, who I wanted to start a podcast with. Not Allen Iverson. I’m talking about…so, I was just thinking of those 3D images, and then it made me think of…how many times I’ve said to someone, no, that’s a fact; it costs this…and…100% positive. Anybody that’s friends with me knows when I say that…they say, oh, okay.
They usually pat me on the back or on the head or they just nod knowingly. Oh, it was…are you sure about that? Oh, I’m totally sure. 100%, man. I mean, I know exact…I know what I’m…I mean, I know I’m talking. I know what I’m talking about. In my head, it’s true. I think…cornfields? I mean, yeah, I’m pretty much a expert on them. Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, in my head I am. Oh, corn silk? Oh boy. Oh yeah, I know all about that. Is it an industry? Oh yeah, I know a lot about it. So, you could trust me that that’s..all corn rows are arranged southeast to northeast. I don’t think that’s even possible. Okay, well, I’m just telling you. I’m certain. I’m not telling you that I’m certain now; I’m just pointing out an example. That’s why I’m…these are the things…these are a few of my favourite things that qualify me for…I can't even say that…that qualify me for…to make a sleep podcast. So, yeah, you don’t really need to listen to me, like my friends.
I think they probably…they talk amongst themselves with amusement, and they say, he was…can't help but love him when he’s making factual statements about cornfields. I say, when was the last time you were in a cornfield? Well, I was in a corn maze. That’s in a cornfield, actually. So, it’s a little bit…I guess it’s a little bit more than just being in a cornfield, now that you're asking me. Okay, so, you were wandering around? No, I was de-mazing the maze. I was being amazing within the maze. Okay, let’s get back to the sleep podcast. So, this is a show you could just barely listen to, and maybe you're like me or like other listeners; you’ve done it before with audiobooks or people. You say, hey, can you talk to me for a while? I’m just trying to calm down and go to sleep. Or you have fond memories of hearing family members watching shows that you could only make out the murmurings, or you put on a show or another podcast just to take your mind off stuff, or sports or talk.
You say, I don't know, it's…something about it. I’m not listening, but it makes me feel better than I did before. So, there’s that. This is also a sleep podcast that’s not here to put you to sleep. There’s no pressure to fall asleep with this show. That’s why the episodes are over…that are…that’s why the episodes are over an hour, so you don’t have to worry about falling asleep. I’m gonna be here. Because there’s people listening who can't sleep at all or who need a break during the day or are waking up in the middle of the night. I’m here to the very end of the show whether you're awake or asleep. That’s one of the first lessons I learned because of listeners like you. So, yeah, I’m here, but you don’t need to worry about falling asleep.
I’m here to keep you company and take your mind off stuff, to be your bore-friend, your bore-bae, your bore-sib, your bore-cuz, your bore-bruh, your boreman, your bore-bie, your bore-bor, your neigh-bore, your Boris Borelaf, your chairman of the boreds, your best bore-friend f’eva, just like if I was on call but in a friend…I guess friends aren’t…friends are on call. Friends are always on call in a sense, you know? So, yeah, that’s what I’m here to do, is just hang out with you, but you don’t have to hang out with me, but you can. That’s the job of a bore-friend. The other thing I like to run through for new people is…so just in case you're new, but this is also part of the structure of the show, is why we structure the show the way we do. It’s to benefit you and countless others of people, the maximum amount of people the show can help out, and…so, that’s pretty cool. We structure the show because…podcast apps are pretty cool, right? They're flexible.
You could set sleep timers, you could make playlists, and most podcasts are listener-supported through the sponsors and direct support, and paying for them is optional. So, that benefits a lot more people than it being…the difference between that and an audiobook is like, an audiobook you have to pay for, right, whether you're paying it through a service or anything. Podcasts…we don’t get money through any of those kind of channels. But then the people that aren’t in a position to pay for it, they get to fall asleep, too. They get to have a bore-friend. So…oh, I kinda got off topic there. But so, the show starts off with a greeting; friends beyond the binary, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, so you feel seen and welcomed in, and you say, okay, I could check that show out. Then there’s support so that paying for the show is optional, and it really is optional unless you listen night after night after night; then we really do need your support. Or if you listen to more than one episode a night or you fall asleep fast, we really do need your support.
But if you can't support the show or you don’t listen all the time, don’t worry about it. Or if you're new, you really don’t have to worry about it. I mean, you could support the show if you just want a ad-free version. Some people do that when they're new to see what the experience is like. They try out the trial. But yeah, it’s optional unless the show consistently makes your life better. Then it’s just a matter of, can I support the show? Will I support the show? Then after the support, totally separate from the support, a show within a show, is the intro of the podcast, which we're like ten or fifteen…twenty minutes into already. The introduction of the podcast follows a familiar structure every time, but every intro is new and different so you get something that’s reassuring and familiar but is…changes so it has variety, ‘cause whatever keeps me awake at night craves variety. The other purpose the intro serves…the reason it’s ten to fifteen, twenty minutes long, other than my inefficiency, is that it’s part of a wind down or a buffer or a lowering of the volume on the day or getting some distance.
It eases you into bedtime. I never found…or, I just couldn't make a sleep podcast that…it would be counter…a counter to Sleep With Me. It may work with…'cause we do have a different version of the show. There is some people that do fall asleep fast, but for me personally, I want to be eased into bedtime. I can't…if someone tells me I gotta fall asleep, that’s the last…that’s why there’s no pressure to fall asleep with this show, 'cause that was something in my personal experience that didn’t work. Just hang out, and maybe you fall asleep. That’s gonna work better with this show. So, that’s what the intro is. It could be part of your…a lot of people are listening as they're getting ready for bed, in bed getting comfortable, or chilling out, winding down, and that’s the main purpose of the intro. It’s a time where we all hang out together like a sleepover, but then at some point during the sleepover, everybody instantly and magically goes their separate ways to wherever they're most comfortable.
But we still get the cool part of the sleepover, which is the hanging-out part. So, that’s the intro, and then after the intro will be support, then there will be our kind of…looking at A Restful Development and maybe looking at a little bit of another show we're comparing it to. Yeah, all told, I’ll be here a little bit over an hour. I’m really glad you're here, and myself and a team of people work hard on the show. We really care about it. We really care about our listeners. Everybody that works on the show really cares about the listeners, and we talk about it, how much meaning this show gives us. Now, if this show is consistently meaningful in your life, we really could use your support. So, think about either supporting one of the sponsors or supporting the show directly, testing out a free trial, following the podcast in your podcast apps, spreading the word about the show. You could change the future of the podcast. Thanks so much.
Alright everybody, this is Scoots. We did a pilot episode of A Restful Development and our Succession of Restful Development. I guess this is a little meta conversation before I turn things over. But I really take…I really am always trying to put myself in the listeners’ shoes. Between Posty, Rusty Biscuit and I, these episodes get listened to a bunch of different times not just for things that need to be fixed, but things that can be improved or greatly improved or subtly improved, because…I don’t joke around when I say we yearn and strive and work really hard. So, this is, yeah, a plus, right? I was listening to the pilot episode months before it comes out or before the first episode came out, or before this episode comes out, too, and I was like, man, I like that, but can we…I said, can this be more? So, then I thought about Dreaming of Newhart, and then this idea kinda came to me. I still don’t know…that’s the great thing about Sleep With Me; it’s never fully formed, either.
But I said, well, what if instead of just looking at how these two stories are similar, wouldn’t it be the kind of thing where Michael Bluth…what if Michael Bluth was living Michael Bluth’s life one segment at a time, and at night he was having these recurring dreams about someone, possibly Kendall Roy, or maybe it’s a dream, and each night he identifies with different part of his dream world. Maybe it’s Tom. Maybe he writes poetry about Tom, the…one of the…not the man of his dreams, but a man in his dreams. Then I also said, what do we have time to accomplish here? ‘Cause we are…it’s also this time when…anytime there’s uncertainty around Sleep With Me is when the most creative things seem to unfold, when I’m like, can I keep making this podcast? And all these ideas come where it’s like, we almost start generating more and more material. So, it’s like, do we have the space or a long-term thing? Is Logan…or, not Logan Roy. Sorry, sorry Kendall. Oh boy, story of your life and your dream life, 'cause that was…I guess in a sense it was a Freudian slip.
I know you're fictional. I’d love to have…imagine that Tom was dreaming all of his Succession, but I would think that Kendall…sorry, Kendall. There is a world within Get Besos where you do…you might have existed. But could Kendall Roy be dreaming of A Restful Development? I don't know time-wise. We’ll see. But it’s just such…this is where I mean it’s a plus. Sleep With Me…and actually, I remember having this conversation with a couple of really great podcasters that make amazing podcasts…which is funny 'cause Roman and Helen in this case…and he was talking about how…these nesting-doll stories and complimenting Helen on her ability to do that. That really is the same thing with Sleep With Me. It’s like, the meanders within the meanders within the meanders. The more material…if I sit down to record fifty minutes of a episode and I have two hours or three hours of material, the episodes are just gonna be better, the fifty minutes that we do…so, let’s just see how this goes. So, I’m turning this over to an imaginary world where there’s someone…I guess a chill version of me who’s gonna help or be helping out. So, yeah, take it away.
Hey, come on in, Michael. Yeah, have a seat. Michael B, right? Correct, Michael B. Michael. Yeah, I’m glad you're here, and I’m really looking forward to talking to you. I know you’ve come in. You heard my work with Robert from Vermont. Or was it Bob? I don't know. It could have been anyone, right? You were really interested in me kind of…'cause you were having vivid recurring dreams, correct? Yes, yes, that’s correct. Well, this is exciting, then. So, do you want to tell me a little bit about your dreams or your week or wherever you're at? Now, I know…I did an…I did this funny thing to help protect your…I pretended your first dream sheet you sent me was the first…'cause I know we covered…I covered it as a imaginary podcast, a TV-recap podcast, 'cause it was like watching a TV show.
So, I have a general idea of what’s happening and some of the general aspects of your…like, you have…in your dream there’s Kendall, who you kind of identify with, then there’s Logan, Kendall’s father, Shiv, Kendall’s sister, Roman, Kendall’s brother — then there’s another brother whose name will come to me — cousin Greg, Shiv’s husband Tom, and there’s many other characters that came up, but those are the ones that kinda stuck out to me…and the similarities in your personal life, where you have a father who’s also…runs a company. In this dream, this Logan character runs a company, and in the first dream you sent in that…you were dreaming of…so, do you want to tell me about a recent dream? ‘Cause I just want to let you know that I had gone through that. So, do you want to go ahead, Michael, and tell me? Yes, okay, thank you. Thanks. Yeah, so, I did have a dream…well, first of all, this…that one part of the dream has happened more than once, where it’s my father’s party.
He’s supposed to be leaving the company. I’m supposed to be taking over. Or, I mean, I guess…I realize that I’m not Kendall, but sometimes I identify mostly…a lot with Kendall. But then also Greg’s there trying to get a job with the company. The press is bugging my dad. Shiv and Tom are there. Connor is…oh, the brother in the dream. Yeah, and in the dream, Kendall’s trying to close his deal, but it’s not going well. So, that’s where I’m not sure…but I could just stick to telling the dream, 'cause, yeah, I don’t need to interpret it. We're just here to talk about it, right? Correct. You can, but probably…let’s save that. Okay…so, yeah, so Kendall can't quite get the deal done. He just seems to be pushing too hard and then not hard enough. It is reminding…the Logan thing does remind me of it, 'cause there’s this factor, this Teflon thing where the rules just don’t apply, and not even the rules of rules that people make. But with Logan and my dad, in a sense, they…it’s like even physics doesn't apply, almost, or it’s beyond my understanding, right?
How in the dream is Logan…? Kendall can't perform as Logan. But yeah, Logan kinda tells Kendall, you're not taking over. I’m gonna stick around. He…or Kendall gets really upset and acts…I did hear your thing. You said infantile, which I guess it was infantile, tearing the bathroom up. Also, Kendall’s going through this thing where he still is kinda leaving a light on for his ex, and she’s like, no, no, no, don’t leave that light on for me, please. Kendall is different than me…that I haven’t struggled with some of the things that Kendall has struggled with. Also, I don't know if I talked about it in the thing, but then Greg’s grandfather is Logan’s brother, and they're not speaking. Because Greg wants something from Logan, Logan says, okay, I want your grandfather to apologize to me or ask me for a job for you. There’s also this thing with my dad and the family trust, and that not only has he…I said my dad. Well, I guess in the dream it’s…he does…I don't know that I’m Logan ever in the dream.
Well, maybe there’s a Logan within me. So, yeah, I’m dreaming…and so, he also not just kinda led me to believe that I was taking over the company, but he also led me to sign something with the family trust that my siblings didn’t sign, and then he wants them to as his birthday present, which gives him continued control through Marcia of the company. Okay, so…sorry, I lost track of what I was saying. But…so, my dad wanted us…everybody to sign off the trust so he would have more control over the business no matter what. Then, yeah, when the rug was pulled out from under me, no one had my back. It was in front of everybody. Then Logan had a lot of things to say, which is different than my reality, I guess. My father’s different. He's less direct than Logan is. I trusted my father. When will you be ready? I don't know. Those are just things I wrote out about it. But…oh, then the…so, the most recent dream is that of Frank, right, who is my dad’s best friend and side…main consultant.
He said my dad’s true to his word. Call him a friend. He makes a speech about my dad’s birthday. Or…I keep saying that. But Logan’s birthday. Then there’s this thing that at first in the dream was mysterious, but as the dream unfolded, it became clear. They talked about playing the game. Everybody in the dream was like, are we gonna play the game? I said, this…or when I was…I said, there’s no game about this. Even in the dream…I guess in this part of the dream, at least, I was a out-there observer. I said, what game are they talking about? Or maybe I was…Greg didn’t know, so Greg’s laughing uncomfortably. Then Greg squeezed in a car with Logan and Marcia, like in-between them. It’s just this awkward image. He’s still trying…Greg talks in a very unique way. I guess…so, Greg’s probably, I don't know, in his twenties, maybe his early twenties, and he kinda talks in this…I don't know. I don't know how to describe it. People you…you encounter someone like this in reality at a party; they’re somewhat lyrical and playful with their words.
But you also…they're not saying it in a lyrical or playful way. Not in any other way, either. But you say, what is this…? What are you getting at, or are you just playing with words? Then there was this idea of Tom giving Logan a gift and trying to find the perfect gift, and Tom’s holding the box with the watch in it, or what I assume is a watch. Then also Logan and Roman are talking. Roman at some point…and Roman’s like, what’s in it for me? He’s like, are you gonna do the trust? He has a nick…Romulus. He says, are you gonna fill out the trust or not? Roman says, well, what are you gonna do for me? I guess there was some sort of reference to a show that Roman had worked on, or a movie, Robot Olympics. Then he basically says, I don’t like Frank, or I can't work with Frank. What if I take Frank’s job? Then all of a sudden everybody’s having…you know those drinks that come in copper cups? I think they're called mules. Some people are drinking coffee. Some people are drinking mules.
Outside it’s cold but it’s bright. Then the same thing with Shiv and Rom…I mean Logan. What are you gonna do for me? Do I even need Logan? Don’t you want the top job? I’m doing great in politics. Tom’s there. He gives his gift to Logan, but Logan doesn't appreciate it, clearly. He says something, and…like a joke, and even Logan says, did you rehearse that? He says, no, yes, no, yes. Then the siblings have a meeting. Should we do…should we give in to dad or not? Then Tom and Greg meet each other. Tom meets…introduces himself to Greg. Tom is this incredibly uncomfortable person, and most of his internal discomfort is on the outside in a way that is puppy-like, but also like, what? So, he constantly is trying to make…at least someone like Greg, who he perceives as a outsider like himself or out of…he doesn't have any sort of anchor. So, he’s constantly putting Greg…and Greg doesn't know how to react to him. But you could see they're in each other’s orbit a little bit.
Then again, Kendall’s leaking stuff to the press about his dad. Rom…oh, Roman, similar to Tom but in a way that’s much more coming from the top down…where’s Tom’s kinda down and he’s still going down, down below. But…so, Roman is different than Tom, but similar to Tom in like, he doesn't like people to feel uncomfortable, either. But I think it’s a different thing. Tom’s…Tom may be unaware that he’s uncomfortable, so he wants…he’s not…Tom is not bothered by other’s people’s comfort. He’s bothered by his uncomfortableness first. Roman is bothered by other people’s comfortableness first and then his uncomfortableness second, in the dream. It seems to be the recurring theme. What I mean by that is if Tom saw someone that was very happy-go-lucky that wasn’t Greg, he would have to…he would have feelings about that, right? But he may, in most circumstances, keep those feelings to himself. They say, where’s the hose pointing? Most of the time I think Tom’s hose is pointing at Tom, unless there’s someone Tom can spray with his hose after he sprays himself.
So, if he saw someone happy-go-lucky with natural, organic self-esteem and joy, he would turn to Tom first — this is just my belief in the dreams — and then he would turn to someone like Greg who says, oh, okay, you're a outsider but you're in more of a place…a rocky place than I am. Roman, on the first hand, wouldn’t have that processing. Roman would immediately or strategically make sure that person was no longer…he would take the hose and say, if you're so full of esteem, here; I’m gonna put some water on you. If he couldn't do that or couldn't achieve that strategically, he may just spray somebody else as well. So, what happens in the dream is there’s a boy there, and his family…his father seems to be working. He’s the caretaker of the baseball field. So, they're playing softball. Kendall leaves the game, so somebody has to come in for Kendall. So, he says, if you come in this game, I give you a prize, but only if you're the best player out here, more or less.
But he really thinks…makes the young boy think he’s gonna get a million dollars or something, which I just didn’t…in the dream I said, I hope there’s no aspect of my personality I’m not aware of like that. Also, Tom is the one that gets the boy out. Then again, Kendall gets this deal closed, but he thinks he has…there’s this Lawrence, who’s…Kendall’s in charge of purchasing his company or merging with his company. Kendall doesn't really have…very similar to what we just said. Lauren seems to have…has some level of self-esteem and competence, and Kendall happens to be…that really throws Kendall off, 'cause he doesn't have the tools to deal with that. He’s not…he hasn’t been given…I mean, we're…the tools we're talking about aren’t great tools with Tom or Roman, anyway. But so…but Kendall…Lawrence also has…Lawrence does have tools. So he says, geez, Kendall, you're not…and they're not all nice tools. But he says…basically at that point Kendall says, I’m gonna…yeah, we're gonna be working together. I can't wait.
He goes, yeah, really. So, then we go back to…Logan wants to be alone with his children. They go on…they go up in a…they're in a bird, almost, flying through the sky. He’s again trying to get his kids to give in to him. But Shiv and Roman are like, no. Why would we give away power? We're in a power position. Then Logan takes a nap, but kinda like a Sleeping Beauty nap, and…but Kendall has already left to go work with…so, yeah, I guess this is a really confusing dream. But so, Kendall’s not there anymore 'cause he’s trying to make these deals happen. So, then Lawrence tells him, you know your dad fell asleep like Sleeping Beauty. Oh, also at some point in the dream, Logan, before he tried to be alone…after Roman told him, he fired Frank, and Frank was like, dismayed. He didn’t have the tools to deal with that, either, but that was because he said, I just gave a speech. I thought we were friends. It reminds me a bit of the brilliant performances by…in the movie The Social Network.
Holy cow, that’s one of my favourite movies. Just the performances…and saying, I thought we were friends, you know? A little bit different. Also, there’s a guy that works for Logan named Colin. He does all Logan’s things. So, he tries to say, hey, we're gonna give you this really expensive watch. It’s in a box, though, since…just for your time. But then later we learn that Logan’s old watch is in the box. Probably still worth money, right? Then he actually…I think he actually put Tom’s watch on, which is…I never thought about that ‘til this moment. But then…so, Lawrence tells Kendall, hey, your dad’s sleeping, and I’ll probably be running the company, not you, Kendall. Then we go to where they're waiting for Marcia to come kiss Logan to wake him up, like Sleeping Beauty in a sense. Frank’s sleeping in a chair, so he…and to me…I said, wait a second, Frank just got fired but he still cares enough to wait to see the sleeping king be kissed by the queen, in a sense.
Shiv is there and Roman’s there, and…oh, all of this almost takes place in New York or near boroughs of New York. Yeah, that was kinda the last set of dreams I had. Okay, great. That’s amazing. I’m trying to decide if you should tell me about what your week was like or I should go to…now, I have a assistant that’s intelligently…full of artificial intelligence, and we looked up some stuff about your dreams. My assistant was working while we were discussing things. So, I do have some things. We could run through those, and then maybe tell me about your week? Or we could go from there. Yeah, that’s fine. I told you about my week…the week of last week in the message. So, it hasn’t got better. Okay, so, that sounds like you're having a tough time. So, we have some nicknames. Logan we were calling the Titan. Kendall we were calling the Sleeping Prince or the Sleepy Prince. No, the Sleepy Prince. I do feel like there are aspects of the Sleepy Prince that are…as we say in the business here, your shadow self.
Then we have the Jester and the Glass Daughter, and then the Chattering Assistant — that’s Tom — then the Glass Tower, which I guess I really like that book. So, strange that this came up. But my assistant did say the Glass Tower is like…'cause in your dreams you didn’t really allude to it too well here, but in your message you did, of like, the Bluths…you do okay, but this is a incredible level of wealth in your dreams and excess. I mean, really descriptive stuff. So, the Glass Tower is the headquarters where Kendall was, and then Logan came. Then there’s this transit idea when they're travelling. Then there’s this element of failure with the deal with…just Kendall not being able to get it right. Then the sibling stuff, which we kinda covered in your first…how your last week went with your siblings. Kendall’s siblings are a little bit more on the nose than your siblings, or they're more activated, where your siblings are more passive but with the same kind of self-seeking behaviour.
Then we did think about the watch, right, and that time itself is priceless. The watch, for most of us, is a priceless number. But thinking about you and your father and the way your father treats your time and your family treats your time, that seems like a area of frustration for you. Then the withholding and the trickery with the trust and stuff like that, that does remind us a little bit of stuff. Then the almost getting there, right? Kendall almost achieves…the boy almost gets home before Tom does. I think that was a powerful thing, and that there’s this…so, moving on to some of the stuff…maybe this is Jungian? I’m not really sure 'cause I just narrate this stuff, you know? It’s my job. That’s what you're actually paying me for. Well, I’m not paying you. Oh, okay, so we're just…this is an experiment. Great. So, Kendall…there’s a fragility to Kendall that I don’t necessarily detect in you, but I’m not positive if you're covering it up or you have the same fragility that…just like in your last dream, that Kendall goes to infantile mode.
Then Roman…I think even you know. This is a common thing where you do what you…as you please, like get rid of Frank. I mean, putting the hose outward, that’s a very id behavior. Then I don’t want to say this, but are you sure that there isn’t a part of Shiv that’s your mother? Maybe your sister, too, but it could be a little bit of your mother. And thinking about your life, what brought you here…I don't know. I don’t want to start digging where I don’t need to dig, you know? But I just was like, huh, is Lucille anything like Shiv? But I think this is amazing. I don’t want to put…you have…my assistant said your internal ecosystem is highly functional. Now, we could also get into…alchemical transmutation is a big thing, and that you're trying and Kendall’s trying to transmute from some other element into gold or the golden crown-type thing. But even in the episode where Logan sleeps, he doesn't go away, right? Your father went away, but he’s not really out of your life or your family’s life.
He still has control. Then there’s…what if you're some sort of…in some sort of realms…dream realm is a realm. The realm has become unbalanced, but you were always a balanced person. But in your dreams everything’s out of balance, even the wealth in the world, you know? But even the behaviors of your siblings or even Log…or Kendall’s behavior. Then Tom, I think…thinking about Tom paying this price of admission into the family and buying…he’s trying to buy your father’s affection or respect at a price, you know? And not just of money but of like, his rehearsed joke. That kinda reminds me of you, in a sense. Tom’s not…I mean, not quite functional on all levels, but his…some of his lower instincts aren’t bad. Well, if I can please this person with my words and my actions, will I become…? He’s not trying to climb as far as Kendall is, right? He’s just trying to get under the wings and say, hey, will you look out for me and take me under your tutelage, kind of?
I think another thing about your dream that reminds me of your sister, though, and maybe the rest of your family, is that — your mother — is that this is their dream. Don’t you think that’s interesting, that Succession is more their dream than your dream, that world? But their…their lives, really…I mean, you're in a seriously advantaged place versus most people, but that’s not good enough for your family, it seems like, right? They're striving towards…and they're also trying to perpetuate the image or whatever they can to get there, you know? Doesn't that stick out to you? Yeah, it’s interesting, huh? Let me see what other notes we have. We have an extensive number of notes. So, let’s see, my assistant also noted that…yeah, I guess we already kinda…Logan is much more expansive and powerful of you…more powerful than your father in many different ways, much more dominant, but maybe he reflects the same value system, even if it’s not a clear value system. It is very patriarchal, I guess, would be a word to say, or totalitarian.
I don't know, that…and is Kendall something you fear? So, maybe Kendall…when we talk about the shadow of you, do you think you could become Kendall? Are you just a few steps away from becoming Kendall? Then thinking about Gob, which I didn’t realize was G-O-B…that’s kinda like gob. But unpredictable. Your brother’s unpredictable. They both like to be the centre of attention. They both are covering things up with their behavior. Even though Roman’s a much more…I don't know what the word is. ‘Functional’ is the wrong word, but it’s the only word I can keep returning to…that he could accomplish non-positive things. Gob really only kinda makes…they're…neither one of them is additive, but they're all not…both of them are not additive in their own ways, huh? I guess passive-aggressive, but…definitely with Gob. You say, Roman, yeah, in a sense, and is that also another fear, that Gob could become like Roman? I don't know. Okay, then we have Lindsay, right?
Again, I’m not sure…Lindsay-Shiv or Shiv-your mother. But your sister is charming. You’ve described her that way. She is nice, though she doesn't always keep you in mind. Shiv is accomplished and she is slightly less charming, but her…she doesn't need charm because she’s so effective at her job and even with her interpersonal…her intelligence makes her need less charm, where your sister’s…one of her dominant positive traits seem to be her charm in a good way, or her charisma. I mean, I guess Shiv has a little bit more of a superiority than Lindsay, but Lindsay…maybe some of the underlying purchases or lifestyle things? I don't know. Okay, then we get to Tom and Lindsay’s husband. I’m not exactly sure about this, either. Again, these could be aspects of you as we get to know you better. Also, I want to do a quick piece of poetry for Tom. Oh Tom, why did you get yourself out? Tom. That was a quick poem someone told me to say…write about Tom. Also, they said, I could one with him and Greg, but I’m not sure I could come up with anything.
But…okay, so, this is out there, but my assistant wants to know again if Tom represents some sort of fears and is not a real thing, but that Tom’s saying, hey, what if…? Not just Tobias, but what if Tobias became more…had higher…more higher needs, more needs more often, kinda like Tom does, or if Gob became like that, or Buster, you know? It’s kinda like Tobias and Buster are a little bit like Tom. What if there was a louder version of your brother Buster and Tobias, or they combined into one person? But I think a big part of it is that even though Tom’s unable to own his behavior, he is creating his own…he’s creating discomfort to be in discomfort, almost. So, maybe there’s something about your empathy or compassion for your brother or your brother-in-law, or both your brothers and your brother-in-law. Then your son…again, I don’t think that your son and Greg are similar, but maybe there’s a son within you and your son…and again in your heart…that you say…especially in this…these first dreams that you're telling me about; this is the world that Greg is…and Tom are both trying to get entry into.
Tom’s already kind of a part of it. Greg is applying to be a part of it, in a sense. So, is that something about you bringing your son into your family unit and yourself, right? ‘Cause you were almost away from it, right? Or you thought…you come and you come and go, you know? That…I don't know. Think about that. Is that like…watching Greg enter this world that’s tarnished, I would say, shiny and tarnished on the inside like rust hidden behind a paint job or something…but it’s not quite that. It’s like, the decay’s in the superstructure, but no one’s aware of it. Other symbols my assistant thought about; the baseball field and joy and childhood as…and then Roman and Tom, in a sense…and this game and the gamesmanship being a gift to the father…he’s really playing these games with these kids. That’s a non-positive transmutation, you know? Then the apartment and how grandiose it is compared to…but you live in a model home, right? This is a model of extreme wealth.
Then the stuff with Logan going to sleep and your father taking a break from being a part of your family unit…my assistant did want me to talk a little bit about a couple different…'cause we always like to have the most extreme dream analysis, you know? So, what if dream is a karmic rehearsal or part of purifying yourself, right? This is kind of like this idea of Tibetan dream yoga, as…only as my assistant interpreted; a karma that has not finished ripening. So, if the dream is about your karma, the stuff with Logan and his…or Logan and Kendall or Tom and Greg or Roman and the kid in the baseball field, those are your karmic knots. Maybe you’ve lived lifetimes as these…people performing these or having it performed on you, where you're the subject of embarrassment, you know, or getting surprised by your father, or Roman saying, sorry, you didn’t get the money…or Greg or even internal Tom saying, hey, I’m trying to be comfortable here. No, yeah, that’s not any comfort.
Then there’s the idea that Logan is refusing…his refusal to change. He’s rejecting the natural cause of things. Also, is Greg…maybe not a fear but some sort of karmic thing that has yet to be breathed into and sat with and experienced with love and kindness? There’s also this astrological interpretation. I believe you're a Sagittarius, and…so, that could be your Sagittarian dreams of empires, challenges, or moral fortitude challenges, journeys to get…find new horizons, teacher challenges or awakenings through non-positive surprise. So, in your dream, Logan could be Saturn blocking your progress, wanting you to be obedient, withholding power. Kendall could be your wounded moon, related to your emotional body, but you're trying to make sure everything’s taken care of, but to the wrong source. Some of the things could be Uranus. I don’t…I mean like in the astrological sense. There’s surprise, change foisted on you, energy of resistance…it could also be a solar identity crisis, like a symbolic eclipse.
Your identity has been dimmed by the father figure. What about birthdays signifying cycles repeating? The number 9 'cause of baseball…9 means the end of things sometimes, but the game, I guess, it did have an end. But this whole thing with your family, trying to end it, right, that’s what you want. Now, what if you're…we're all in a simulation, right? So, what if we're…the AI said…what if you were an AI or an LLM, as they say? So, the LLM…your dreams could be trying to tell you that you're the LLM and you’ve be over-trained on Bluth family stuff. Maybe you haven’t had enough exposure to healthy family dynamics. Maybe you're…the dream is telling you that you're producing distorted outputs, so you have to…until you awaken to this or the user inputting things into you, I guess you’d have to wait on that? I’d be a part of that, so I’m not so sure. You could be confusing roles between characters or figures or symbols. The person could be putting in faulty inputs, but you could be interpreting the inputs incorrectly.
You could also be confusing roles. So, maybe you're in the simulation, you're trying to live your life, so this dream is trying to restructure…to tell you to restructure how you view the roles of the people actually in your simulated life. Maybe the dream is part of…what’s happening is that you're filling the gaps with familiar archetypes. So, you're trying to do an output, and this dream is just a hallucination, but I’ll help you with the output of you as Michael Bluth, if you're a Michael Bluth LLM, I guess. It could be…I don’t understand this; looping errors and authority perception.
So, I don't know, I guess that’s it. Is there anything you want to say? Well, yeah, that’s…makes me really look forward to getting in bed and going to sleep, getting a good night’s sleep. I’m always just wondering, too, if someone else is out there dreaming they’re me, 'cause I know I had a pretty full day or week this week with my family. So, I don't know. But I appreciate our time together, and I’m looking forward to learning more.
Alright, well, goodnight, then. Sleep well. Oh, thanks. You could sleep well, too. Oh, thank you. Goodnight. I think we’ll both sleep well tonight, huh? Oh, we’ll try, and even if we don’t, we have something positive we’ve agreed upon, huh? Yeah, that’s great.
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